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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:41 pm 
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Horizon: The prefect does release Norris. And Kendra need not worry about a divorce. The prefect is more than happy to have their marriage annulled instead.

Haahque: I'm just going to run down what was supposed to happen in the chapter, had everything gone the way I had planned it.

Upon contacting Ismene, he learns she has Arcane with her, she's just tucked away in her clothes. They took all of Ismene's belongings, including her spellbook and invisibility robes. All she has are the rags she is wearing.

Ismene would be against escaping. There would be no point. She explains that they know her name and her face, so scrying for her would be a very simple matter. Even if Haahqae could smuggle her out of the city somehow, it wouldn't matter. They could send a dragon to track her down. The only place in the world she could be safe would be...

And then her eyes light up as she realizes. The Tower of Wayreth! Nobody could touch her there. Even the Black Robes that work for the army would be unable to harm her as long as she stayed within the walls of the tower. No mage may harm another mage in that sacred place. Ismene hurriedly explains there is a scroll with a teleport spell on it tucked away in her spellbook. It was being saved for emergencies and will instantly take her to Wayreth. All Haahqae has to do is find it and bring it to her.

After some searching, Haahqae finds where they are storing Ismene's belongings. He gathers them up, brings them to her, and she uses the scroll to return to Wayreth safely.

Haahqae would then presumably head back to the Tankard, secure in the knowledge that he helped her get free.

BishGada: This is something for everyone to consider. How do Kendra, Gobax and Haahqae react to discovering Tulbas is now a Black Robed Mage?


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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:05 pm 
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I agree. Still jumping months ahead without mentioning regrouping seemed unreal to me.
So obviously Tulbas won't just come showing off his black robes. He will bring it slowly during discussions about religion and philosophy, especially with Gobax. He will use the acts Kendra did to justify his own when he speaks with her. All of course in a good manner explaining both what she did and he did are acceptable and in a way for the greater good. With Haaque he qill be more simple. He will explain he did not change his ways, and he still wants to remove the occupation.
With Shima he will ask if he managed to get some coin and return his debt and will offer his help in one or another tasks.


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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:25 pm 
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Okay. So is that it? It's been over a week, so unless there's anything further, I guess I'll start up the new chapter tomorrow.


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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
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Will rest and eat normally and havea bath every few days, paying his way on a day by day basis until his wounds heal.
During this time, if he sees Tulbas, he'll approach and say, "Thank you, that was kind of you!" and hand over 7 sps. "A lucky number for my kin. Well, former kin."

When fully recovered (wound-wise at least), the dwarf will investigate getting his confiscated goods back and also get a price for a license to carry the same.

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I assume a two month skip will put Shima, although he doesn't know it, at -72 on all saves?
Or has some of this maxed out and split over to a penalty on combat &/or skill rolls?
Afterthought - does the dwarf show any diseases (from the various rat bites)?


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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:22 am 
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Tulbas will thank for the good luck concept but will demand the full debt will be paid back which was two steels.


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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:43 am 
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Actually I thought it was 1sp. If GM confirms the debt actually was 2 steel and assuming that 1pp = 5 steel then the same principle applies and, after having swapped a pp for 5 steel, the previous text becomes:

..Shima will rest and eat normally and have a bath every few days, paying his way on a day by day basis until his wounds heal.
During this time, if he sees Tulbas, he'll approach and say, "Thank you, that was kind of you!" and hand over 7 steel. "A lucky number for my kin. Well, former kin."

When fully recovered (wound-wise at least), the dwarf will investigate getting his confiscated goods back and also get a price for a license to carry the same.


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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:10 pm 
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Ok, so Haahqae's main goal will be trying to get out of Haven; although he realizes this is rather difficult in the winter. He'll spend some thought on how to leave during winter, some on how to survive until spring when he can leave and some on those mundane tasks such as making life hell for Yvette/Xleena and interacting with Tulbas/Kendra/others.

Reasons for him wanting to leave are essentially 2 fold. First he's a character with a healthy amount of wanderlust; and he's stayed in the same city for far too long (by his standards). Secondly, and possible more importantly; he wants to journey to Wayreth to visit Ismene.

One plan Haahqae had planned to do during the last chapter; but didn't have time for; was to break into Yvette/Xleena's house while invisible and summon a swarm of rats or other vermin to eat up all the food in their celler/larder. Since he didn't get to do that during the chapter; he'd probably aim to do it at some point in the following week.

While Haahqae won't be super pleased with Tulbas's black robes initially; he'll soon adopt the stance that he's not really surprised. He had been questioning Tulbas's integrity previous to the test already; with him not helping with the show and other misgivings which Haahqae has probably blown out of proportion due to dwelling over for too long in his lonely little mind. Besides, Tulbas was being taught by a black-robed one. Super not surprising.

And with the stance of "not being surprised"; Haahqae figures he shouldn't really treat Tulbas differently due to the black robes; it's still the same guy as before, just now he's been given the robes that show his insides to the world. Haahqae will still treat him as not super trustworthy, but still probably the most trustworthy person in the city outside of himself and Ismene... and Ismene is no longer in the city anymore.

Haahqae will also, eventually, be drawn to Tulbas with plenty of questions. Tulbas is his best (only?) source for new magical knowledge right now; and Haahqae now wants to look into teleportation and also learn about the Wayreth test. (Of course, he'll always phrase it as curiosity's sake. Not everyone goes through something like that! Far more interesting then anything that happens in this bland, boring city.)

He'll probably not tell anyone about what happened to Ismene. He doesn't trust anyone anymore, and he'd rather not have them do anything malicious to Ismene or himself with the knowledge.

Haahqae as an additional secondary goal might be starting to think about taking the wizard's test. While he's still convinced that it's a bad idea to even let people know he's a magic user; there's a thought that he might want to come out with it and take the test if it will make him more of a notable person for Ismene to talk to. He might do a little research into what the test entails.

Edit: Added a bunch of stuff

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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
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I should probably put my two cents in since Kendra was mentioned. Kendra, despite Tulbas' best efforts isn't going to forgive herself for what she did. There is no justifying what she did in her mind, so as a result she wouldn't be able to see Tulbas justifying what he did to become a black robe. An evil act is still an evil act even if ti might help the greater good (and she is seriously doubting whatever she is doing is helping the greater good).


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 Post subject: Re: WotL OOC Thread IV
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When fully recovered (wound-wise at least), the dwarf will investigate getting his confiscated goods back and also get a price for a license to carry the same.

We've actually discussed this before. To acquire a weapon permit, he has two options. He can acquire a permanent one by joining the army or becoming an agent of the church. He can also purchase a temporary one for 100 STP. Once he has a permit, he can try asking for his confiscated weapons returned. Although it will likely also cost him coin.

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I assume a two month skip will put Shima, although he doesn't know it, at -72 on all saves?

I think it's closer to -77, but yes. We can just safely say he fails any saves he makes from here on out.

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Afterthought - does the dwarf show any diseases (from the various rat bites)?

Nah, he's good.

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If GM confirms the debt actually was 2 steel and assuming that 1pp = 5 steel then the same principle applies and, after having swapped a pp for 5 steel...

It was two steel, yes. You can read it here. And yes, one platinum piece is worth 5 steel pieces.

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Secondly, and possible more importantly; he wants to journey to Wayreth to visit Ismene.

If he does even a little bit of research on the Tower and where it is, he'll quickly learn that the it is enchanted so that it cannot be found by anyone not invited. The tower basically 'teleports' (for lack of a better term) all over the place. So he would need to either become an apprentice to a member and go take his Test or somehow or another, earn an invitation there from a member.

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Haahqae now wants to look into teleportation and also learn about the Wayreth test.

I can answer any specific questions he has. I can tell you off the bat that the Test is deadly (failure means death), and is held during the Night of the Eye (so in roughly a year's time; that's how long he would have to study for it under a master), and that success means becoming a member (and a member is expected to follow the rules; this might be a sticking point for Haahqae; part of the Test is scanning his mind to see if he is a risk of becoming renegade or doing any serious harm if given more power).

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He'll probably not tell anyone about what happened to Ismene.

Does this include Miriam? As far as she knows, Ismene is still locked up somewhere.


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JadedDM wrote:
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I assume a two month skip will put Shima, although he doesn't know it, at -72 on all saves?

I think it's closer to -77, but yes. We can just safely say he fails any saves he makes from here on out.

A natural 20 is still a success though?


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No, that only applies to attack rolls.


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Ok, natural 1 then, my bad. Still "no" though, ok.


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JadedDM wrote:
Haahque wrote:
Secondly, and possible more importantly; he wants to journey to Wayreth to visit Ismene.

If he does even a little bit of research on the Tower and where it is, he'll quickly learn that the it is enchanted so that it cannot be found by anyone not invited. The tower basically 'teleports' (for lack of a better term) all over the place. So he would need to either become an apprentice to a member and go take his Test or somehow or another, earn an invitation there from a member.


He might angle towards trying to get Tulbas to invite him there.

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Haahque wrote:
Haahqae now wants to look into teleportation and also learn about the Wayreth test.

I can answer any specific questions he has. I can tell you off the bat that the Test is deadly (failure means death), and is held during the Night of the Eye (so in roughly a year's time; that's how long he would have to study for it under a master), and that success means becoming a member (and a member is expected to follow the rules; this might be a sticking point for Haahqae; part of the Test is scanning his mind to see if he is a risk of becoming renegade or doing any serious harm if given more power).


Following the rules might be a sticking point for Haahqae. It's sort of a large part of his internal conflict over taking the test; and altogether most of the reason he always assumed that he would never take the test before he met Ismene.

What he wants to know is how hard is the test? (Survival rates?) How stringent are the rules (can he live with them?) Is there a way he can avoid some mind scanning? What does the test involve doing? Is the test full of evil and corrupt people who just want to hold power? And many more questions; many of them obvious to the majority of people or strictly guarded secrets that he has no way of getting answers for.

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He'll probably not tell anyone about what happened to Ismene.

Does this include Miriam? As far as she knows, Ismene is still locked up somewhere.

Haahqae isn't all too fond of Miriam; but if she's convincing enough when she inquires he'll probably mention that she's free now. He won't mention how it happened or where she is.

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What he wants to know is how hard is the test? (Survival rates?)

The Test is less about skill (although that is tested, as well), but more about character. You can't 'die' during the Test, because it's all illusion and mindscape stuff. But if you fail, they'll kill you anyway. In this case, though, 'fail' doesn't mean you drop to 0 HP. It means you prove you are a threat to the Orders or to magic in general, or are too high of a risk of going renegade.

Even those who pass the Test are not left unscathed. There's usually some sort of physical or mental aftereffects. Some are worse than others.

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How stringent are the rules (can he live with them?)

Fairly stringent. They are a very Lawful organization. The main rules are:

1. All wizards must follow the Foundations of Magic.*
2. All wizards must follow the bidding of the Conclave and their Order.
3. No outsider must learn of the secrets of the Orders.
4. All wizards must report any renegade activity they discover.
5. Altering the forces of creation and the very fabric of magic is expressly forbidden unless permission is granted by the Conclave to do so.

*The Foundations of Magic are that all wizards are brothers in the Order and all Orders are brothers in the power. The places of High Wizardry are held in common among all the Orders and no magic is to be used there in anger against fellow wizards. The world beyond the walls of the Towers may bring brother against brother and Order against Order but that is the way of the universe.

Depending on the severity of the actions, breaking these rules can lead to imprisonment or even death.

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Is there a way he can avoid some mind scanning?

Not without some very powerful magic of your own. Like 9th level stuff, minimum.

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What does the test involve doing?

All Tests consist of a number of challenges, which the initiate must draw upon his knowledge and skill to solve. At least three of these challenges are aimed at the prospective mage’s knowledge of magic and its use and his ability to cast all the spells in his repertoire. At least three require the mage to use his wits without using magic alone — or at all. There is always at least one trial by combat against a greater adversary, the identity of which is drawn from the initiate’s fears. And once during the Test, the initiate must choose between something he holds dear — usually a friend, lover, or family member, but sometimes even his own life — and the magic. The testing can last a few hours or several days.

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Is the test full of evil and corrupt people who just want to hold power?

The opposite, really. The purpose of the Test is to weed out any who would prove dangerous with that kind of power. The wizards recognize that those who wield such powerful forces must be responsible, lest the entire world is torn apart. Hence all the rules and regulations, to keep the world safe.


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JadedDM wrote:
The Test is less about skill (although that is tested, as well), but more about character. You can't 'die' during the Test, because it's all illusion and mindscape stuff. But if you fail, they'll kill you anyway. In this case, though, 'fail' doesn't mean you drop to 0 HP. It means you prove you are a threat to the Orders or to magic in general, or are too high of a risk of going renegade.

Even those who pass the Test are not left unscathed. There's usually some sort of physical or mental aftereffects. Some are worse than others.


He's none to keen on mental after-effects. He likes his mind as it is. Although recently he's been questioning that a little...

JadedDM wrote:
Haahque wrote:
How stringent are the rules (can he live with them?)

Fairly stringent. They are a very Lawful organization. The main rules are:

1. All wizards must follow the Foundations of Magic.* - Haahqae's generally ok with this
2. All wizards must follow the bidding of the Conclave and their Order. - This sounds rather suspicious to Haahqae, he doesn't like following orders and doesn't trust others
3. No outsider must learn of the secrets of the Orders. - This makes him want to join a little more. So that he has access to those arcane secrets!
4. All wizards must report any renegade activity they discover. - Yeah yeah. Really they seem way too focused on those guys who just want to pursue knowledge without someone breathing down their back all the time.
5. Altering the forces of creation and the very fabric of magic is expressly forbidden unless permission is granted by the Conclave to do so. - Is exposing a fundimental flaw in how the narrow-minded fools percieve magic altering the forces of creation or the very fabric of magic? This might be a little dangerous

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Haahque wrote:
Is there a way he can avoid some mind scanning?

Not without some very powerful magic of your own. Like 9th level stuff, minimum.


Hmm, backup plan is to take the test after becoming the most powerful mage on the continent. Surely there's no problems with that? Hmm.. maybe there are.

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Haahque wrote:
What does the test involve doing?

All Tests consist of a number of challenges, which the initiate must draw upon his knowledge and skill to solve. At least three of these challenges are aimed at the prospective mage’s knowledge of magic and its use and his ability to cast all the spells in his repertoire. At least three require the mage to use his wits without using magic alone — or at all. There is always at least one trial by combat against a greater adversary, the identity of which is drawn from the initiate’s fears. And once during the Test, the initiate must choose between something he holds dear — usually a friend, lover, or family member, but sometimes even his own life — and the magic. The testing can last a few hours or several days.


Sounds scary. He might have to build up confidence before convincing himself he's awesome enough to go through all that.

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Haahque wrote:
Is the test full of evil and corrupt people who just want to hold power?

The opposite, really. The purpose of the Test is to weed out any who would prove dangerous with that kind of power. The wizards recognize that those who wield such powerful forces must be responsible, lest the entire world is torn apart. Hence all the rules and regulations, to keep the world safe.


But would Haahqae be wise enough to realize this; or would he assume that there's an extra lair of deception; intrigue and greed behind it all?

All in all; Haahqae remains not telling anyone that he's a mage, and consciously he thinks he'll never take the test; but subconsciously he thinks he will take the test. Needless to say this is a lot of confusion for his not so robust mind.

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