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 Post subject: BishGada (Private Thread) Tomb of Horrors
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:52 am 
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This is a Private Thread for BishGada. It will contain:
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 Post subject: Re: BishGada (Private Thread) Tomb of Horrors
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:29 pm 
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[3d4] = 7 [3d4] = 5 [3d4] = 11 [3d4] = 7 [3d4] = 10 [3d4] = 7

Roll for base. Do I have to use the base in order or can I assign them to attributes any way I want?
I'm not sure what I want to play. Mages always have the greatest appeal to me, but I've just been one.
Is a Ranger good for the campaign given they are more natural in, well, nature? Do the ranger have the followers that comes at level 10? Since a ranger need 600K xp for level 10 and now he has 2M does it mean the followers will have ~1.4M XP? or 700K XP? Who will play them?
With the rolls I had I can't get the 10% bonus for XP.
I thought also about Druid, but again, not sure a maze is the best place for this character to shine, and it's shapeshifting is minor comparing to polymorph self spell. Does the Druid have three 11th level druids serving him?


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 Post subject: Re: BishGada (Private Thread) Tomb of Horrors
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:26 am 
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You arranfe the base as desired.

The module is 'tomb of horrors'... so... likely very little nature. Rangers still make good fighters/trackers and are casters at high levels.

Followers will be decided depending on how many players we get, but we're not draging 40 npcs into the tomb with the adventurers. There will be a 'base camp' outside like in Labyrinth, however.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:31 pm 
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Can I be an elven bard?
It's not the strongest class composition but it is colorful. Although I myself as a person doesn't tend to be the most charismatic in the group which is usually the roll of the bard, but I can try.

If I can be an elf then the +1 DEX may put the scores high enough for 10% exp. bonus.

What do you think? Do you like the idea of having a bard in the group?


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 Post subject: Re: BishGada (Private Thread) Tomb of Horrors
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:38 pm 
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You certainly can be. Bards get lot of flak but they're actually a great support class


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Hi,
I've few questions please:
1. What armor can a bard use when casting spells? And can such armor be an armor of command instead of plate mail? (The idea is the 18 CHA. Is it a real 18 CHA in armor of command?)
2. If (1) doesn't work can a rod of splendor be used to boost the CHA to 18? (and then use the point spread to other attributes?)
3. Does elf must be a multi-class? is there a dual class race with bonus to DEX?
4. I thought again of dual classing fighter/bard with 2M points it can be 8lvl fighter and 18lvl bard. It could also explain why he could start with low CHA and later after improving CHA magically, acquiring friends and influence, studied a little and became a bard. (he could always love to play instruments). But it is a bit munchkin stuff so I might use it only as basic fighter (without specialization in darts :)).
5. Can I choose the spells of Ring of spells storing? And can the bard store spells as wizard?

If Armor of command in some manner works for the bard without hindering all his abilities/magic I think I'll go with the following magic items:
Armor of command 1500XP
Sword +1 Luck 1000XP
Helm of Brilliance (which can turn the blade to Flame Tongue) 2500XP.

I wanted also gauntlets of ogre power but I guess I'll be a not so strong fighter. :)
I also looked at magical musical instruments and wondered if it was possible to use the instrument both for his magical ability and the boost of moral of the bard, but couldn't choose cool enough magical instrument. and not enough magical XP in any case.

If Armor of command doesn't work then I'd go for the
Rod 2500XP + Ring of spell storing or Rod+ Elven chain mail + some weapon... not sure yet.
If the Rod doesn't work too then I'll have to consider again how to spread the 28 points...


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-all physical armor interferes with arcane casting.
-I would allow a different armor type for 'armor of command' but it must be metalic and would carry the same xp cost. Per the description, the 18 cha only applies to 'encounter reactions' meaning interactions with other beings
-rod of splendor would change the character's cha to 18 so long as he has it on his person
-a race always either multiclasses or dual claseses, based on their racial lifespan. Elves multiclass. (Details in the rules thread)
-dual-classing a fighter bard should be fine as long as you chose an appropriate race for dual-classing
-the ring ia a randomized item. What i can do if you're interested is say it is arcane, and with spells of levels he can restore at his level. beyond that i'll randomly determine them. The item is just too rare for him to have ome that is a perfect match for what he wants

By the special exception in the rules thread, goblins and kobolds get a +1 to dex (though they have other penalties). Both races dual-class, and i would allow either to be bards


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:27 am 
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Really? Kobold with 18 CHA? :)

Naa... I'd would be less munchkin and more role playing.
Can elf cast spells wearing elven chain mail? (Just curious, it seems armor of command is not enough for the above 16 CHA required)

I guess I'll stick with elven bard. No dual class.
Does the helm of briliance interfere with spell casting?

Also, how much XP is ioun stone?


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 Post subject: Re: BishGada (Private Thread) Tomb of Horrors
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Elves alone can cast in elven chain, yes


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:28 am 
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OK, and what's the XP of ioun stone and does Helm of Brilliance prevents spell casting?


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Helms prevent spellcasting, unless they are a specifically created magical item that allows it (i coyld not find any that do in my brief search through the 2e complete magic items netbook)

-an ioun stone is 300 xp. Also note, the rules thread specifies only 1 ioun stone may be 'purchased'


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I thought to go with:
Rod of splendor - mainly for the high CHA that I hope will have some effect in the game when playing bard. (In 2nd ed. CHA seems a bit useless...)
Gauntlets of Ogre Power - again to boost attributes since the rolls are not so great
And elven chain +1.

But it seems we are all very string in the group, so I guess I'd live with Gauntlets of dexterity which are also 1000XP.
Also the bard must have CHA 15 at level one, assuming he didn't get the Rod of splendor by inheritance :) So the Rod would boost only 3 points.

I also debated a lot between cloak of protection +2 and winged boots. Cloak of protection works constantly and give +2 S.Th. but the boots are fun...

Given all that I'd choose my attributes and class as the follow:
Elven Bard (single class) level 19
STR 5 + 5
CON 7
DEX 7 + 7 + 1 (racial) + 1 gloves of DEX
INT 11 + 7
WIS 7 + 3
CHA 10 + 6

And the magical items are:
Elven chain mail (no bonus) = 1000XP (unless it must be at least +1)
Winged Boots - do I roll for the flying class or you?
Sword +1 Luckblade - do I roll for the number of wishes? ;)
Gauntlets of dexterity

If the elven must be at least +1 I'll drop the boots and instead have a cloak +1 and think of some more 500XP. Can the luck blade be +2?

I barely made it to 10% bonus and I think it is colorful if not strong character. I also forsake the ring of spell storing.
BTW, with low wisdom the chance of spell failure is only for priests spells or also for arcane spells?


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 Post subject: Re: BishGada (Private Thread) Tomb of Horrors
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:40 am 
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-elven chain does not have have a magical bonus, no
-I'll roll flying class for winged boots after (if) you decide to go with them, then let you know the result
-the number of wishes on a luckblade is always secret ;p and it's a +1 sword only for this

Please let me know if this is your finalized magic item list


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Yes... I think so. :roll: Hard decisions, but since in the last episode we died pretty quick I guess it doesn't matter too much :)


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 Post subject: Re: BishGada (Private Thread) Tomb of Horrors
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char creation decisions can be rough


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