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Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:25 am
by BishGada
Tulbas will also meet with the others. Besides trying to get HIS money back (I just remind you he found the chest alone and had the money in his pockets for a little while :)) he would like to go to the cults lair again. If Belzor is not there at least they can search for loot. I guess common people will fear the surroundings for couple more days before others will loot it (or the church). So they shouldn't waste too much time running afterthe ladies.
Also, if Belzor is not there, the party can still claim to the church they cleared the lair.

It was nice to have new players on. The variety of characters greatly increase the role playing opportunities.
Pity mgbevan disappeared. I hope he is well.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:25 am
by chese780
Take your time Jaded.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:13 am
by Haahque
Yep, even though I don't feel like Haahqae's getting very far right now (he's lost more loot then he's gained in the past 3 chapters and for at least 2 of those his XP wasn't stellar, and also he's still no closer to his ultimate goals then when he started out), I do enjoy playing Haahqae, I find the campaign setting interesting and I like some of the NPC's (such as Ismene, for example).

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:11 am
by JadedDM
TristenC wrote:I appreciate your work (and feel your pain dm-wise). For what it's worth, I'm really enjoying this game :) I've never done much with Dragonlance before, so it is nice to get to know it for the first time with someone so well-versed in it :D
Thanks. It is very time consuming work. Back when Kendra's group and the main party were both having battles at the same time? It would sometimes take me up to three hours to post the update.

And yeah, I'm as familiar with Dragonlance as I am my own setting. The downside is, I'm fairly ignorant of just about every other setting. :lol:
BishGada wrote:It was nice to have new players on. The variety of characters greatly increase the role playing opportunities.
Pity mgbevan disappeared. I hope he is well.
Yeah, but on the other hand, both of my games are becoming a bit crowded. This spreads XP very thinly. It's less a problem in this game than in Lost Souls, since in this game the party rarely all work together at once (I think last time all of the PCs were together for a quest was the iron mine).

As for mgbevan, last I heard, he was still settling in his new home in Sweden. Hopefully he'll rejoin us soon. I'll send him that email today and let you all know when I find out.
chese780 wrote:Take your time Jaded.
I will. But it should still be all ready by tonight, I hope.
Haahque wrote:Yep, even though I don't feel like Haahqae's getting very far right now (he's lost more loot then he's gained in the past 3 chapters and for at least 2 of those his XP wasn't stellar, and also he's still no closer to his ultimate goals then when he started out), I do enjoy playing Haahqae, I find the campaign setting interesting and I like some of the NPC's (such as Ismene, for example).
Actually, in terms of coin alone, Haahqae is second only to Tulbas, and not by that much, either.

But I'm glad you're enjoying yourself, nonetheless. Perhaps this upcoming chapter will be the one where Haahqae takes his first step toward his life goal.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:29 am
by TristenC
JadedDM wrote:
And yeah, I'm as familiar with Dragonlance as I am my own setting. The downside is, I'm fairly ignorant of just about every other setting. :lol:
:lol: I'm exactly the same way with Ravenloft

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:25 pm
by djhyland
I'll add to the chorus and say I'm enjoying the game as well. Of the three play-by-post games I've played in, it's my favorite by far. And considering that when I play face-to-face, I'm always the DM, so I'll go as far as saying it's the best game I've played in, online or off. Thanks for the hard work, JadedDM!

I've been running my own setting as of late, but I fondly recall many of the old 1e and 2e settings. I got into a number of them, and would have gotten into more of them had my teenage income stream allowed me to buy more. I'm pretty familiar with Dragonlance, Planescape, and Dark Sun, but I'd need to reread them again before saying I'm as familiar with them as I am my own campaign. I wish I'd have gotten into Birthright back in the day, because it looks pricey to buy now.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:38 pm
by chese780
Jaded, I hope you don't go and force me into a situation with the army c:

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:04 pm
by Haahque
That might be true, but that's because most of the other characters other then Tulbas weren't around for the 2 adventures where Haahqae got everyone outside for great XP and loot (mine and giant). And because Haahqae hasn't really bought anything this campaign (no house, no swords, not even a spellbook). It certainly isn't the result of any recent events.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:13 pm
by spyguy1503
I'm also enjoying myself quite a bit. I appreciate all you do Jaded!

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:26 pm
by JadedDM
chese780 wrote:Jaded, I hope you don't go and force me into a situation with the army c:
Can't tell if you are kidding or not.

I wouldn't deliberately force a player into a situation where they would be caught by the army and executed. But if the player sets it up himself...

For instance, if Felran reveals his powers right in front of the army, then I wouldn't hold back. But I wouldn't create a situation where he had no choice but to reveal his powers in front of the army (not without some kind of backup to save him, that is).

Anyway, XP is finally done and we do have some level ups.

Haahque, you can pick Haahqae's new WP and distribute his thief skill points (30) as you like, but cannot put more than 15 points into any one score. Read Languages is now open to put points in. You also get 5 bonus points due to your kit, but they can only be applied (all together) in Open Locks, Move Silently, Find/Remove Traps, or Read Languages. For his HP, I rolled a 2, which divided by half is a 1.

Horizon, I rolled a 9 for Kendra's HP.

Djhyland, you can pick Arulia's new WP and I rolled a 4 = 5 for HP, which divided by half equals 2+1 = 3.

spyguy, I rolled a 9 for your HP.

chese, I rolled a 5 for your HP.

Here are my notes on the chapter:

Title and Theme
The title of this chapter, "Proving Worth" was a reference to the PCs' various goals. Haahqae and Gregeddin are trying to prove their worth to the occupation, Kendra is trying to prove her worth to the army (so she can undermine them), Ne-Chanz and Felran are trying to prove their worth as mercenaries so they can get steady work, Arulia and Grubnick are both trying to prove their worth to those around them so they can build a following and keep themselves fed, etc.

Brace Yourself. Winter is Coming.
As the days pass, the temperature will continue to drop. It's still another month off before winter arrives officially, but you should keep note of this and be prepared by acquiring warmer clothing if you can.

Tulbas' Dream
As I said in-game, the purpose of the flashback/dream sequence Tulbas had was to help keep BishGada occupied while he waited to be rescued, which I predicted would take a very long time. But it also was to try and flesh out his background more. I didn't get much information out of it, but I did get a little--like the name and age of his sister, although nothing about what his parents were called or looked like. I mean, they're dead, so I suppose it doesn't matter too much.

I did learn that I got his parents mixed up, though. In Tulbas' dream, he identified his father as Raetmal's brother. I thought Raetmal was the brother of Tulbas' mother, though. I even had Ratemal refer to her as his sister once. But I suppose we can hand-wave that by saying he meant 'sister-in-law' and was just being less formal.

I also was really wrong about Maelana's age. I thought she was older than Tulbas, but in fact, she was only 65 making her the equivalent of an 8 or 9 year old.

Gregeddin's Fate
Hopefully, this is the last time I have to NPC him. I'll be emailing mgbevan to see if he's coming back or not. If he does, he can resume playing in the next chapter. Hopefully his character isn't too much changed from since he left him. If not, I'll be removing the character from the game some way or another.

Anyway, something he said when he agreed to help with the Neo-Belzorites was "I suppose it can't possibly be as troublesome as the last one" with 'it' referring to the group of mercenaries Haahqae put together. Foreshadowing! Technically, though, he was right. Yvette and Xyleena only stole from the party. The last group they put together, two of them straight up tried to kill the party. :D

Separation of Church and State
There seems to be a lot of confusion on this matter, and I've brought it up before, but I'll go ahead and re-clarify it one more time. The church and the army are separate entities. They are allies, but one does not control the other. And they often spat with each other. Hence why the guards weren't impressed that the party was working for the church and why the church is blackmailing Kendra to spy on the army for them.

This is also where the confusion Arulia suffered stems from. When she went to the temple, she asked if she could join the temple guard, not the army. The temple guard is something else entirely (basically fighters who serve as templars and bodyguards for the priests).

Kendra's Squad
The Baaz that went with Kendra on her little excursion were all rolled up on the spot, including their colorful personalities: Krup, Tern, Grev, Slinn and Perp. It was fun roleplaying them. It also helped humanize the enemy a bit. I tried to play up how different they are from the mammalian races; how they don't have women or families or any kind of upbringing similar to our own. They don't even know where they come from. They are trained from hatching to be loyal soldiers and nothing else.

Neo-Belzorites
The XP from the Neo-Belzorite mission is spread pretty thin, as there were 10 party members. I also greatly reduced the strength of the Yuanti (although not the Histachii). The acolytes (purebloods) were only level 1 while the priests (half-breeds) were only level 3. This reduction in difficulty can be justified by claiming that as they were the world's first yuan-ti, they hadn't quite developed in strength yet.

Remember the trap in the hall Grubnick found? They never disarmed or triggered it, but if anyone had stepped on it, the two snake statues would have breathed fire on the target. This would have most likely killed Haahqae and Ismene had the party triggered it. Had Tulbas managed to escape earlier and try to sneak away, he would have been killed by it, as well.

Kendra's Big Decision
Horizon actually agonized quite a bit over the decision to leave with the elves or remain in Haven. Had she gone with them, she would basically have been split from the party probably permanently, going on a solo adventure off in Ergoth. In the end, I was pretty confident she'd stay, though. Obligation to her family has been one of her primary attributes so far.

The new plotline of having a cleric of Takhisis blackmail her was mostly because it was the only way I saw that didn't end things with her execution as a spy. Her plan to bring back ONE member of her squad alive was no less suspicious than if she had come back alone. Her lie that the elves just walked away, leaving them alive, was pretty flimsy. And I knew she'd lie during the truth spell. So it was this, or a court martial ending in her losing her head.

NPC Reaction Updates
Ismene slightly approves of Haahqae voting to turn in the books and slightly disapproves of Grubnick, Arulia and Ne-Chanz voting to destroy them.

Pen slightly approves of Grubnick, Arulia and Ne-Chanz destroying the books and slightly disapproves of Tulbas and Gregeddin voting to use them.

Faction Updates
Kendra gets a +2 in her relationship with the Elven Resistance. They are still indifferent to her (8) but warming up to her. She also suffers a -1 to her relationship with the Fire Snakes on account that her captain keeps winding up dead. They are still cautious (13) of her, despite the fact that the cleric said she was telling the truth; if nothing else, they are starting to see Kendra as bad luck.

Divine Favor Updates
I gave Grubnick a point toward Sirrion for his passionate actions against the paralyzed yuanti (killing him over taking him captive). I gave him another point in Sirrion for voting to destroy the books.

I gave Kendra a point toward Shinare as she refuses to abandon her duty toward her family to run away with Sadron. I gave her a point in Kiri-Jolith for being honest with her husband.

I gave Arulia a point in Paladine for sticking up for Pen when the others weren't taking him seriously or were threatening him. I gave her another point in Paladine for voting to destroy the books. This brings her up to 5 points in Paladine, which is the first level of divine favor. This means Paladine will reach out to her in some way. He's already done so a couple of times, though, so if you have any specific ideas how you'd like this to play out djhyland, let me know.

I gave Ne-Chanz a point in Chislev, because he voted to destroy the books to make new yuan-ti (he said they were 'abominations' so I interpreted that to mean he doesn't like unnatural things; if I'm wrong, let me know).

I gave Felran a point in Gilean for abstaining to vote at all on the matter of the books.

I gave Haahqae a point in Sirrion for voting to turn the books into the Conclave. This was because he seemed keen on keeping them until Ismene said her piece, then he immediately voted in her favor. So I'm assuming it was more that he was trying to impress her/earn brownie points with her than actually believing that was the best choice (again, if I'm wrong, let me know on that).

I gave Tulbas a point in Takhisis for voting to keep the books and use them.

I'm exhausted and it's late, so I'll put up the new chapter tomorrow.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:47 pm
by Haahque
Well all of the fighters did well this chapter (1.5K xp+, while everyone else was closer to 1k), but wow Kendra. Really raking in that solo XP there.

Remind me, were you allowing average HP's? That would mean I'd get 2 HP this level. Otherwise, go ahead and roll that 1d3.
EDIT: Jaded Ninja's me. Looks like I get 1 HP, lovely.
Is unarmed a valid weapon proficiency for non-monks?
For thief skills I'll put 5% into move silently, 10% into find/remove traps, 15% into read languages
For mouse skills I'll put 5% into move silently

Oh yeah, the vote for handing the books over was 50% to earn brownie points with her and 50% because the last thing he wanted to happen was to see the books destroyed, and it seemed like allying with someone against that stance was the best way to see this happen (And he'd rather the books go to the conclave then to Magnus). It still failed, but hey, there's the brownie points right?

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:19 am
by JadedDM
Haahque wrote:Well all of the fighters did well this chapter (1.5K xp+, while everyone else was closer to 1k), but wow Kendra. Really raking in that solo XP there.
Yeah, she really jumped forward there. Although it wasn't purely a solo quest. She still had to share XP with the Baaz and the Elves. But although her challenges were weaker than the ones faced by the other party, fewer people meant more XP to go around.
Haahque wrote:Is unarmed a valid weapon proficiency for non-monks?
Well, anyone of any class and skill can punch or wrestle. But it is possible to take a specialty proficiency in unarmed combat. There are three kinds available. There's punching specialization, there's wrestling specialization and there's martial arts. The last one is usually reserved for monks, though. And non-fighters may only ever specialize in one of these styles.

Punching specialization offers a +1 to hit, +1 to damage and the ability to move up or down one spot on the unarmed combat chart (essentially taking whichever is more beneficial). You also get one extra attack per round (if both hands are free).

Wrestling specialization offers a +1 to hit, +1 to damage (including holds) and the ability to move up or down one spot on the unarmed combat chart as above. His STR counts as 2 points higher when maintaining a hold.

With Martial Arts, you'd need to spend one slot to learn it and another to specialize in it. But as I said, that's really reserved for monks of Majere or Sargonaas. I don't think Haahqae would take to either of those particular deities very well.

I've updated his thief skills. Wow, 95% MS at his level is pretty impressive. Way to max it out at only level 4.
Haahque wrote:Oh yeah, the vote for handing the books over was 50% to earn brownie points with her and 50% because the last thing he wanted to happen was to see the books destroyed, and it seemed like allying with someone against that stance was the best way to see this happen (And he'd rather the books go to the conclave then to Magnus). It still failed, but hey, there's the brownie points right?
I was half right then. And yeah, he did improve his relationship with her a little. Keep plugging away at that, he might woo her yet.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:47 am
by Haahque
The main question is though, does punching/wrestling specialization negate the automatic AoO that enemies get against unarmed combat?

Yeah 95% MS was pretty much the plan. It goes well with the 70% hide for a very sneaky rogue and if he should learn the spell invisibility any day that might be more like 100% hide much of the time. Now that he's got MS maxed out, he can start thinking about spreading his points out over other skills, such as detect traps and read languages.

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:16 am
by TristenC
Please make the next max trap related... for all our sakes :lol:

Re: WotL OOC Thread II

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:33 am
by djhyland
JadedDM wrote:Djhyland, you can pick Arulia's new WP and I rolled a 4 = 5 for HP, which divided by half equals 2+1 = 3.
Well, it's a random sort of choice since Arulia hasn't really trained on anything new or found any new weapons, but I'll go with the morning star for her weapon proficiency. I guess that there's not much choice anyway...by my count, she's already got 4 of the 9 bludgeoning weapon proficiencies as is. Morning star it is!
This is also where the confusion Arulia suffered stems from. When she went to the temple, she asked if she could join the temple guard, not the army. The temple guard is something else entirely (basically fighters who serve as templars and bodyguards for the priests).
Yeah, the occupation is new enough that Arulia hadn't figured out the separation out yet. She's not the brightest, and in any case, she now wants nothing to do with either after her experience at the Temple.
The Baaz that went with Kendra on her little excursion were all rolled up on the spot, including their colorful personalities: Krup, Tern, Grev, Slinn and Perp. It was fun roleplaying them. It also helped humanize the enemy a bit. I tried to play up how different they are from the mammalian races; how they don't have women or families or any kind of upbringing similar to our own. They don't even know where they come from. They are trained from hatching to be loyal soldiers and nothing else.
I really liked following the antics of the draconians while reading Kendra's sections, especially once they started to admire her. I felt bad for them when Kendra betrayed them, although I can't fault her in doing so. At the risk of spoiling things, their ignorance on their origins reminded me of Finn and his fellow Stormtroopers in the new Star Wars movie. Or rather, Finn and company reminded me of the draconians, since I just saw the movie on Saturday.
I'm exhausted and it's late, so I'll put up the new chapter tomorrow.
Take as much time as you need. If it isn't too late, though, your comment about winter coming reminds me that Arulia needs a new cloak. She'll want to look into buying one in the morning, assuming she has enough money to do so. Also, she'll want to find Pen again. If he's not hanging around at the High Hand again, she'll at least ask around if anyone has seen him.