Nor does he know she's a cleric, though. If he did discover she was a cleric of Paladine, there would be no denying she must be a good person worshiping a good deity. He's studied enough of the old gods to know that much. Plus, remember, evil people don't consider themselves evil. They always believe they are doing the right thing. Belief that what you are doing is right does not make it so. It would still be considered an evil act. (Even the Nazis believed they had God on their side.)Haahque wrote:Haahqae doesn’t know that Arulia is a good person or worshiping a good deity...
But that, in itself, is because he cares about Ismene. If she were a stranger to him, I don't think he'd give a flip about her. For instance, he threw that pregnant woman out of her own room just because he wanted it instead. He didn't care, because he didn't know her. As for caring about the poor, I'll just reiterate, he once threw a pregnant woman out of her room just so he didn't have to share the common room with the poor.Haahque wrote: However if he did it, it would not be “just to make his life easier”, it would be entirely to get into the trusted books of the church, and to use that influence to make Ismene’s life easier (and to a lesser extent, make the lives of the city’s poorer folk easier).
My own notes have Haahqae as pretty firmly neutral. He has done some evil acts (stealing from the party, kicking out a pregnant woman), but not enough to shift him over. As for his good acts, they tend to be tainted by more selfish underlying motives. He tries to justify them, sometimes retroactively, as being Good but I always took it as just bluster. He is always out to serve himself first. If others benefit from that, he'll pat himself on the back for it. But it never seems to be his actual agenda.Haahque wrote:Haahqae, on his character sheet is neutral, and while I’ve been playing him as more of a good character when I can, he does have very selfish acts to counterbalance it.
For instance, he considers breaking into the old fort and stealing money from it to be a Good act, because he spent that money and that helps the economy. He always tries to phrase his motives like that, but it all rings pretty hollow. (In fact, when Miriam outright told him that being a hero means putting others first even when there is no personal gain involved, he found the idea rather baffling.)
I'm not sure I agree. As I said before, his desire to save Ismene seems more due to him liking her than any kind of altruism or even guilt over his own actions (indeed, he insists that it's the dragonarmy's fault for arresting the wrong person, not his own in any way). If this was only about justice and helping others, one would wonder why he is so disinterested in helping free the other people who have been wrongfully arrested (like the entire trade guild).Haahque wrote:Recently he’s been fairly charitable, as well as focusing all his effort on saving someone from a fate he unwittingly condemned her to, which I would argue are pushing him back towards the good end of the spectrum...
Well, even if you could argue against that successfully, it's still the beginning of a slippery slope. Remember, the 'prize' of turning in a cleric is basically a job. He would be an agent of the church, and they would give him assignments. So even if you could argue that turning over Arulia somehow wasn't evil, I don't think it would be possible to justify all of the subsequent jobs he'd receive from the church.Haahque wrote:I wasn’t considering a single evil act like turning over a good cleric to an evil church an act that would definitely label Haahqae as an evil character overall.
True. But he does know about Gobax. He could turn him over instead. But as I recall, Haahqae wants to turn over Evil clerics only (I imagine he thinks this somehow balances it out, morally speaking). So even if he knew Arulia was a cleric, I'd assume he still wouldn't want to turn her in since she is not Evil.Haahque wrote:However, Haahqae doesn’t know about Arulia’s faith so far, and I don’t see much of a way he could possibly find out, so the point is rather moot right now.
From my own notes, his morality has been very consistent so far. Very, very neutral. He does at times swing a bit like a pendulum between Good and Evil, but nothing (so far) to push him over to one side or the other.Haahque wrote:And I also question Haahqae’s morality sometimes. Especially when he was turning selfish a few chapters back, I was questioning if he was becoming evil, if it made sense for him to be evil and if he was acting too good before then.
I could have sworn you did. Or maybe implied it. I seem to remember telling you that Haahqae was 'all over the place' on divine favor, not really gaining ground on any one deity in particular, and you stated you were glad for that. I certainly got the impression that were a deity to offer a pact with him, you intended for him to turn it down anyway. So it seemed easier to just not worry about it.Haahque wrote:I don’t recall outright stating that Haahqae isn’t interested in making a pact with any deity, but you’re right. He isn’t.
Even before I stopped tracking it, his divine favor looked like this:
Reorx +2, Branchala +1, Hiddukel +2, Lunitari +4, Sirrion +3 , Sargonnas +1, Kiri-Jolith +1, Gilean +1
He doesn't come even close to getting the points needed (5 for Good/Evil or 10 for Neutral).
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i figured that was why you rolled 
